It seems that there are many typical lies told amongst MK recruiters. One that seems to pop often is that 'MK is thaught in HARVARD...' sure, please, you can verify this by one phone call to the dean of the school who will tell you that THIS is NOT that case. It is funny to read the threads and find that 'somebody who has been a student at HARVARD mmentioned that MK had been a topic of disscussion...' and I am pretty sure not a topic of postive discussion.:) Anyhow, what I would ask women/men to do is to think critically whenever statements like that is made. (Also,, why the heck MK or MLM (yes,, MK is MLM)would be thaught in the any school. It is one of the most ineffective/unproductive distribution model there is). Unproductive for the many women who work their butt of to make MK to work. The business model is designed to fail. Most of MK's turnover sits on the selves of the poor women who trusted the words of their upline, who in turn trusted the words of their upline. But somewhere there is the crook. Spmeone there manipulates the information to suit her/his own benefit without giving a second thought to wheather somebody is going down financially buing the stock.
Oh yes...this supposed to be about lies. Well, here are some more that I have read on this board: 70% of the women who earn over 100K do it with MK..(LIE, or maybe somebody could post a link to a study that supports that claim. No, Mary's statements are not counted..)...No 1 business failure is UNDERINVESTMENT. Oh boy. Where is the study that supports this statement. Please people. CRITICAL thinking. I know it can be hard to be critical (and this is by the way no way same as being negative) in the middle of all that hype or when somebody who is CRISTIAN, says something. CHRISTIANS do not lie. hmm....Rule of the thumb no. 1.: Whenever there is a guestion about money/financial info/ please be critical and ask for facts. Income claims: ask facts. Ask to see a tax return from year before. Better still, ask to see business accounts of the person who makes the claim. It is normal to ask to see them when one is thinking about launching a business. There are some who claim that your failure where the fault of the missing business plan. This may be so, but you can not make a business plan based on unverifyd statements. Actual data is needed.....ok this is enough and now lets wait for the bull...
of my soap box
Steffi Forte - 06 Mar 2004
I certainly agree with you that not every positive thing said about Mary Kay is true... As to the claims that Mary Kay is "not MLM", I'm presuming that some of the speakers at Mary Kay conventions make this statement, trying to differentiate Mary Kay from "all the other" network marketing companies... and then all those people pass it on as if it were a literal truth.
Mary Kay may in certain important respects be different from other MLM operations, but it's still MLM. Making such erroneous claims undermines the credibility of the Mary Kay organization.
As to the issue of Mary Kay "being taught" at Harvard Business School, this is not without some foundation. See Mary Kay At Harvard for references from Harvard's web site to Mary Kay.
What's wrong with all the claims about Mary Kay being taught at Harvard?
Mary Kay is "taught" at Harvard Business School, as part of various courses, but do you think they're teaching students that the way to succeed in business is to become a Mary Kay beauty consultant?
What they teach (and you can verify this through the links above) is how to effectively motivate a sales force while making a minimum capital outlay. That's what they teach!
It is in reality how to exploit people by making them think you're offering them a great business opportunity and pay for the privilege of participating in that business opportunity and do this without committing fraud or otherwise violating the law.
And I'm not saying it's not a great "opportunity" for some people... even flipping burgers at McDonald's is a worthwhile opportunity for some people. But if somebody's trying to sell you on the idea that it's the first step to a great career, they're not exactly being level with you.
Eli Mantel - 06 Mar 2004
- 06 Mar 2004
" ...Network Marketing Sales is not taught at Harvard and Stanford business schools -- or in "numerous other leading colleges and universities throughout the country".
As Harvard 'B' School professor Thomas Bonora recently said in an article in Marketing News:
'We do not teach such methods [MLM] at the Harvard Business School; they are not part of the curriculum; to my knowledge, they are not taught at this or any other reputable business school in the country . . . Multi-Level Marketing schemes, like chain letters and other devices, sometimes are at the borderline of what is legal -- and over the borderline of what is ethical . . .'
He concluded by saying that examples of legit MLMs are few and far between. Not a glowing endorsement for such a valuable curriculum.
Harvard has reviewed a case study of Mary Kay Cosmetics. Also, there are courses in 'Networking' as it pertains to management resources. That's it. Stanford refuses to discuss the subject."
The above is from http://www.mlmwatch.org/01General/mlmlies.html
for anyone who wants to check the source and read further
(above copied from the opinion 129)
Thats quite a twisting of the term 'to teach'. Students do make case studies and that does not mean it is an endorsment by a university, as it seems to be used by recruiters quite freely. And unis do get speakers from different fields and that does not make it an endorsment either. So, lets get real. MK is not taught in HARVARD.Period. What comes to lying and manipulation here is a good excample of that. http://edumacation.com/MaryKayInventoryLoadingPlan This 'plan' is nothing more than FRAUD. And as it is on the Cindywillams-website one must come to a conclusion that this 'plan' is ENDORSED by a 'National' MK lady. I would also assume that by MK (company) rewarding mrs Cindy Williams is also endorsing their National's 'marketing plan'. Or would you say that MK has no influense. And that she is free to market the MK-opportunity the way she sees fit? I would suggest that FTC would be interested (not to mention DSA) about that plan. That plan is so misleading that it ain't funny. It is a disgrace. And 'CROSS' in the middle. (I feel quite sick actually). I think that all the women that do NOT agree with this plan take a copy of it and hit the offices of DSA and FTC with it. I guess the next claim is that 'this is just a one bad apple and majority are doing the right thing. May I ask you: How can the body do the right thing if the head is sick?
Til next time
Steffi Forte - 07 Mar 2004
- 17 Apr 2004
- 19 Jul 2004
In the beginning, women EARNED their way up and had to PROVE it thru their actual sales sheets. That was remarkable, - but as time went on and computers came into the home and women wanted the glam and fame the system is selling - dirty little secrets started happening all throughout those Mary Kay home "offices" in the form of putting orders in other's names using your own credit card, etc. Women are careful not to put the same 'ship to' address for a multitude of consultants when they are finishing and moreso, they are being COACHED to not do this - in other words, taught by some positive MK directors to cheat & lie.
There are many secrets in MK, just try to ask a legitimate question and you will be labeled negative and if you leave, you are simply told to fade away - I've heard many gals get this advice and the only thing I can conclude is that they don't want you to tell their 'little secrets'. I think alot of women FEAR their directors, but in the end, it's the directors who really FEAR the consultants- 1) that they might rat on them -and, more actually should and 2) directors fear consultants leaving and not providing their income.
It's a very secret world in Mary Kay - not many know what this is all about - you definitely have to do your homework and with Mary Kay's incredible story, why would anyone be suspect anyway? Surely, a company which has such a grassroots American dream coming true type of story could not be tainted with scandal and deception.
Propaganda is very effective and people in MK and other mlm's are trained heavily to manipulate and deliver propaganda to the multitudes. It's no different than what media outlets can do to the general population. People simply don't know they are being propagandized (new word?) or brainwashed, that's why it's so effective.
The responsible thing to do, is to search it out for yourself - find the facts and gleen your opinions from hard core facts rather than rely on just anybody. There is a thing called credibility and now that we have the internet - people can search the net and find facts - you can also search the net and find out how much propaganda there is. Gain wisdom in finding the truth. There's a scripture in the bible which talks of a group of people called the Bereans - the bible refers to them as being noble and wise - the reason they are labeled noble and wise is because they HEARD what people said and then checked the scriptures to see if what they said was true.
We all need to be more like the Bereans. If there were more of us who know the 'other side' of the MK story willing to speak out,using the internet to do so, perhaps things in Mary Kay would change dramatically.
The MLMSurvivor Club and my new MKSurvivors Club over at Yahoo Groups are great sites to begin your search. Simply pulling up sites about multi-level-marketing and networking systems in general is another great search.
It's simply called information - when we get information, we need to share it and that will begin to bring about change - one person at a time!
The DSA is not really a regulating body. They do have rules, which are mainly an attempt to convince those who would try to enforce the law that DSA members are doing things right. I've never heard of anything being done to enforce those rules. I've no idea how many of their members are in compliance, but Mary Kay probably is. The DSA rules are completely inadequate. The DSA's main purpose, is to lobby state and federal legislative bodies to get laws passed that are more lenient toward MLMs and their questionable practices. (Google on HR1220 - or check the "News" link on pyramidschemealert.org to learn more about that.)
Mary Kay doesn't have to comply with FTC regulations in order to stay in business. They just have to avoid getting caught in non-compliance. It is very difficult to prove corporate has any responsibility for most of the messed-up things that go on. And there is no good way to show whether their consultants actually get the majority of their income (if they have any) from product sales because they do not keep a record of what the consultants sell. Mary Kay only knows what the consultants order. No one actually has the information about what the consultants sell except possibly the IRS (and can you imagine what a job it would be to gather all those data? No one would ever spend the huge amount it would take to do it.)
RachelSuddeth - 14 May 2005
- 06 Jul 2005
It seems there's a flaw in your logic.
You are claiming that because Mary Kay is "a Direct-Selling company [as] listed with the Feds", it cannot also be an MLM.
What makes you think that? The Direct Selling Association doesn't agree with you. According to http://www.dsa.org the DSA currently has 187 member companies, presumably all of these member companies are in the direct-selling industry. Of those 187 member companies, 139 are listed as providing a multi-level compensation plan.
It seems reasonable to infer then that most direct-selling companies are MLMs.
EliMantel - 06 Jul 2005
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