- 11 Mar 2004
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...Future DIQ, ....maybe the "great expectations" are that great after what she has been told in the recruiting phase....After all. 'All those ladies who make millions by doing MK, surely couple of 1000's is not too much to ask. And part time....' Iam sure that if this gal is smart enough to get a degree she can not be 'thick as a trunk'...
til next time
S
Future DIQ,
Employee Mentality????? What is that and why do you find that you must degrade women who have worked very hard to get those degrees....those are things that no one can ever take away from them unlike a MK career where if you do not produce, your directorship can be taken and if you return product for whatever reason, you can never do it again? Since you profess to have researched this company out prior to your joining, as you state, 'women should be over 18 and know about running a business'.....do you have any idea what the average women in MK make (excluding the top 2% which are directors/Nationals)?????? The expectations presented are part of the deceit....are you prepared to give your new recruits a REAL picture of what they can expect in MK????? Most viable business opportunities come up with much more substance and disclosure regarding income than does MK. Many Executive Elite Directors make no more than the average high school educated supervisor at many state jobs. Check out Applause magazine for some of the top Nationals and their commission checks.......sooooo many make less than those supervisors also when you factor in expenses and Nationals have lots of expenses with employees, etc. Don't knock employees, many have benefits you will never see in a business such as this unless you buy your own health insurance, life insurance, etc. So, make sure you have a plan to save for your retirement from our profits. The few women at the top who 'make millions', are making their millions over much time and in the form of commission checks. The top 5 are not indicative of the normal in MK, yet are presented as such. Maybe when women find out the truth after their recruiting honeymoon is over, they find it not so pink.
Laura, I am not degrading any woman who has worked hard to get a degree. I am a woman who has worked 2 jobs to pay for my education so I know what hard work is!!! Like I said earlier I only work with women who want to be business owners not anyone that I must sugar coat this oppertunity too. I am sorry if I sound harsh but you are comparing the benefits of an employee ie. health insurance, retirement... verse owning your own business ie, flexible hours, greater chances of wealth..... I am simply saying that there is nothing wrong with having a job and if that is what people want, go for it. But if you want to be financially free, a chance to be one of the MK millionaires you have to sacrifice your comfort of a secure job. I personally would rather try to become a millionaire and only succeed at an income of a high paid supervisor than to be a high paid supervisor and never have the chance of being a millionaire. That is my whole point! No disrespect but if you don't see this oppertunity (or one like it) as a CHANCE of gaining wealth then you most likely will never have wealth waiting on your job. The chance of that happening are far less than the chance of becoming a MK millionaire. Even though I am using MK as my vehicle for financial freedom, I don't believe it is the only way. This business is not for everyone and there is more than one way to obtain wealth if that is what you are striving for. If you have given up on MK then that is fine, I just urge others to find out what will work for them maybe realestate, or stocks, or whatever! Just don't say MK is a complete scam. The last thing I want to do is be mean to anyone that has left this oppertunity. My entire opinion here is based on the women who expected top results from little work! Nothing more! And if they were misled then I truly feel sorry for them. This happens everywhere not just MK sadly.
What peeves me about this business is that when you get recruited, what's presented is glitz, glam, girlfriends and good times .........AFTER you are recruited and AFTER you put in your inventory purchase, you find yourself out there dangling as to what to do meantime, your recruiter or director are already on to the 'next one' and you're told to call the company if you need something, or that everything is laid out for you and that 'this is a business', but the majority of women recruited in under the 'fun' part and with the likes of Cindy Williams recruiting technique get discouraged......and it's THEIR Fault? I think not.
Corporate America is also filled with greed,selfish ambition and the like, and there are bad experiences there too, there's good and bad with everything and what women want to do on this website or any other is to be able to freely express their opinions about what goes on and not be slammed, judged or accused about their work ethic when expressing their opinions. EITHER WAY, whether it be from women who are in accusing those who left about this or that or those who left accusing those in of this or that. I have made some sarcastic cracks about pink bubbles that derive out of anger from being accused of being a quitter, or not working my business, etc., and that's defensive, but it was an emotion, another defense and I don't mean to slam those who are happy, but would sometime like to see a little more compassion from the positive Mary Kay women. You hear of the transformations in character when joining MK, but say one thing that is not good and wonderful and dreamy and true character comes out.
What saddens me is that the ideals used in this and any other MLM company are no different...even down to calling people who leave quitters. Yes they left aka QUIT, but what peeves me is the meaning implied behind the label. MK's speaker, John Maxwell, says' there's nothing worse than a quitter'. Mr. Maxwell speaks for many MLM companies who pay him well to do so. So, being called a quitter, as I posted in #67, from this company has negative connotations. It's downright insulting. People quit many things in life that cause them health problems such as drugs, alcohol, cigarette smoking and you would say 'there's nothing worse than a quitter'????? I am talking in general here, not at you. Mr. Maxwell QUIT being a pastor at his church, I believe, to be a motivational, Christian speaker. Was this a BAD thing? No. But he quit, was a quitter. I have a passion so deep about how we are labeled from these companies and the rhetoric they teach new consultants, rhetoric such as this. And, about regular paying jobs, the condemnation that comes down from the top of these companies regarding them. For those interested, do reread the archives as all of this has been discussed in depth. Very interesting reading. On another message board, a little gal, happy in MK, no doubt, shared that at a meeting she just came from, 83% of women in MK have jobs other than MK. If jobs are such a bad thing to have and if we all joined MK, where would the customers and recruits come from? Don't most customers/recruits come from contacting businesses or co-workers or people employed by other than MK??????
Sure, some have fun staying at home, but statistically, (if the company was required to disclose the normal income of the majority of it's consultants), $5,000 is not going to get you financial freedom......in this business, I've seen that you must invest ALOT of money to make money and ALOT of TIME and SACRIFICE......getting out of that comfort zone proves also to getting away from your family more and more as you move up and your responsibilities to your unit members increase, etc. Seems that moving up the career path even begins to require more and more 'assistants' to perform all the duties you no longer have time to do. It's rare, rare, to get someone to talk about their profits from the company, my guess is, in doing so, it might paint a different picture.
Why the big deal about wealth????? In a Christian community, I wouldn't think that women would focus on such a materialistic thing. You can't take it with you when you die, and doesn't God teach (and this being a God first company) to pursue things eternal because they will last unlike things material? While God wants us to live life to the full, we have to keep the correct perspective about what we are pursuing and WHY. As Christians, our lives are to be about glorifying Him.
Laura
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