What I do not understand is why no one told me so many things when I was recruited. I read someone else's post about not telling that the training meetings (which is what they are, don't make it sound so damn sisterly) cost $5 a week. Well, I don't have $20 a month to put into a meeting, to top off, the time I waste in coming and going, and being there. Now granted, these women are wonderful and positive. They try their best to be perky and get you excited. After all, their money is hinged on my being excited and productive. There is nothing wrong with that. It's business, and anywhere, that is how business is done. It is supposed ot be selfish, but it doesn't have to be conniving, which is what I feel MK is.
I did not need to be in it for months to know in the first week that no one PROCESSED anything I would say. "Well, I don't plan to really sell for the first few months, is that okay, or should I wait until I can actually work the business?" Answer: "Oh no no, start now, what's stopping you, just do it, sign, and you can get ready and listen to the CDs, train, and when you do start you'll be more prepared. RIGHT. No one mentioned to me that after the first month, I would lose my ability to get my free inventory products because I did not make an inventory purchase. No one told me that once I get commission and.or a car, that I basically can lose it at a drop of a hat. No one told me that I had to pay for meetings every week. No one told me that I HAD to wear certain clothes for an night meeting after spending a whole tiresome day at my real job. This is a meeting, not a presentation, there is no reason why I should be uncomfortable to learn.
THe whole perky feminine thing is cute. You can't be upset about a group of women who want to be positive and encouraging, even if it for money. I really think that I have met some amazing ladies. I have some interesting stories, too.
I know this is long, but hear me out.
I have two directors, one mine the other adopted. One is a bitch, would not process a signle e-mail or phone call about my needs, always wanted me to place an order that I could not afford, and even tried to make me use my only credit card (that I am using to re-build my credit after severe debts) which i said I did not use for anything. She even tried making me take out a loan. HELLO! Which part of me saying that I am not selling NOW do you now understand? THe flip side is that my adopted director is 10 times more real than that. She has never once pushed me, and if anything, could care less how I look, and is more concerned with how I like the products and how I like my skin since I've joined and ogtten so many tips. She truly cares more about me and "how's your schedule..how can I help you?" She's not out to make me buy anything and when I said I would not put anymore money into the MK business until I made money back, she shrugged her shoulders as if to tell me, "ya, why woudl i care, go right ahead, i udnerstand." So, through her I have met 3 other directors who have been successful, with cars and great houses, and honestly, good lives.
As to other consultants. I know people who are poor as dirt who still swear by MK, and I think it is because they can't count or do math. I'm smart. I know I won't make money any time soon given my lifestyle, but I am willing to give it a try. THere are succes stories. Those who say that there are not, need to really calm down. People are not lying to that extent, and as to claims, the company does not sell grease in a bottle. The products are good and really make a difference on MOST women's skins...I had one potential customer break into a rash--oh my---my first facial---well, what was I to do? BUT. i am not selling crap. MY skin looks great and I have used the products for a few months now. I'm not lying to people when I say that they I can make them look good. I'm just not pushy, and thus, I am broke.
Perspective here folks.
Yvy Barney - 11 May 2005
First off, let me say that I appreciate the sincerity of your comments.
To a degree, I understand what you're saying, if somebody is trying to say that there is no opportunity whatsoever in Mary Kay. In general, any kind of extremely one-sided comment tends to raise some questions.
So here's my positive statement about Mary Kay: they have an actual product, and there's an actual retail market for this product. I know, because I checked out Ebay: there are over 20,000 listings for Mary Kay products, as compared with Amway, which has under 300 listings, the majority of which seem to be for motivational books and tapes!
You know what, though, Yvy? If I could somehow know that Mary Kay was the sure-fire road to wealth, I would be a fool not to do it. But if somebody has to "exaggerate" the opportunity to get me involved, omitted important information, or otherwise used deceptive tactics, then a couple of bad things happen:
Trust is the absolute requirement. If you see comments about Mary Kay that seem extremely negative, you can be pretty sure that somebody broke that trust. Sure, people point out a lot of systemic problems in Mary Kay, but my point is that if people get involved in Mary Kay as a result of deceptive practices, there is no trust, and whatever positives there may be for the opportunities in Mary Kay, that loss of trust cancels them all out.
Eli Mantel - 11 May 2005
I am trying to figure out what you are trying to say by "perspective here folks......".
On one hand, you talk about posters being cynical. OK, as Eli pointed out, there are reasons. On the other hand(s), you call your director a b****, but then call women in MK cute, perky and make a general statement that women in MK are positive and encouraging. Some have cars, houses, you call them successful. Alot of women have cars/houses, some even paid for with money they earn legitimately.
Then, you tell us how you feel about not being told everything up front and seem upset about it, yet you say people are cynical and that they should have some perspective?? What exactly is the perspective we should have, based on your post??? Seems to me you might be saying there is good and bad in every situation?
Laura Ryan - 15 May 2005
I had TWO directors, hence the title, eh? One of them was a bitch, bossy, pushy, and most of all the evil little things people who are anti-MK here say. The other was not and is not at all. She is supportive and HER team is full of positive and perky cute women. What else is a woman if not cute and perky when she is clad in pink and introduces herself to a group of peers with a sing-songy chant of positive adjectives! Really now!
I think the other perspective is to not be TOO positive. I think I have one of the more realistic approaches on this board in terms of my experience. I had a bad one. I had a good one, too. I neither think MK is good for all and I definitely do not think it is not a good opportunity. It can be, for many.
I don't understand your comment about other women having houses and cars but earning their money legit--what is that? There is nothing illegal about MK, and if you are playing your taxes and charging customers tax, there is nothing non-business like about this. If you have to have money to make money--also not a shocker. The thing here is that the women in MK who DO have these things from working their MK business have been able to work from the luxury of home, spend time with kids, and cook the hubby a nice steak for dinner, while still being able to look perfectly made-up for a nice romp. There is a certain luxury to MK, minus the fruit-bag tartiness. This is why people are loyal to it. As to bad apples, yes, there are, and it is a shame, but you need perspective to SEE the larger picture.
Yvy Barney - 22 May 2005
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