I WANTED TO RESPOND TO ONE POST YOU MADE IN PARTICULAR ABOUT MARY KAY COSMETICS. IT IS IN FACT TAUGHT AT HARVARD BUSINESS SCHOOL AS A CASE STUDY. IF YOU GO TO HARVARDS WEB SITE, THEN TO SCHOOLS, THEN TO THE BUSINESS SCHOOL AND DO A SEARCH ON MARY KAY COSMETICS YOU WILL GET SEVERAL HITS. THERE IS A CASE STUDY ABOUT GLORIA MAYFIELD WHO IS NOW A NATIONAL SALES DIRECTOR WITH THE COMPANY (SHE USED TO RECRUIT FOR HARVARD) AND ANOTHER CASE STUDY ABOUT THE SALES FORCE INCENTIVES. PERHAPS INSTEAD OF JUMPING ON THE BAND WAGON AND DISCOUNTING EVERYTHING, YOU SHOULD DO SOME SIMPLE RESEARCH. I AM SURE YOU WOULD EXPECT THE SAME IF SOMEONE WAS GOING TO DO IT TO YOU.
Carol
I don't understand at all why you are directing this comment to me. I have in fact documented the use of various case studies about Mary Kay at Harvard at MaryKayAtHarvard .
Whether or not the use of these case studies constitutes "teaching Mary Kay at Harvard" is arguable, but that's begging the question anyway... The real question is whether, even if Mary Kay is actually taught at Harvard, how is that relevant to somebody trying to decide whether they should participate in the Mary Kay business opportunity?
The abstract referenced on the above page about "Sales Force Incentives" seems to support the general notion that Mary Kay structures its incentives so as to maximize motivation at minimum cost to the company. Of course, this is rational behavior for a company, but that doesn't mean it's good for Mary Kay participants... in general, it means that Mary Kay is "gaming" its beauty consultants rather than giving them fair compensation that relates to their overall contribution to Mary Kay profits.
So I say to you, why are you raising such irrelevant and erroneous points? That's what I'd like to know.
EliMantel - 30 Jul 2005
As quoted from Mary Kay Opinion 131 , to say that "Mary Kay is taught at Harvard" suggests that the faculty of Harvard affirms the methods of Mary Kay to be a reliably sound and demonstrated method; informs students on the advisability of its implementation; and instructs them in how to implement it.
Yet even if this were true, making such a statement would still be deceptive unless Harvard were actually advocating individuals become Mary Kay beauty consultants... and there's no significant evidence that points to this.
So yes, to say "Mary Kay is taught at Harvard" and to imply that this provides some good reason to become a Mary Kay beauty consultant is a lie.
Now you bring up Gloria Mayfield, and I say to you "So what?" One person, with excellent education, training, and experience in business who perhaps had a lot of other options, chose to run a Mary Kay business and was very successful at it. This only serves to suggest that someone with similar experience and education may be able to figure out how to run a Mary Kay business successfully, but it's not very predictive for the success of the average prospective Mary Kay beauty consultant.
So let me summarize: While there's some basis to the statement "Mary Kay is taught at Harvard", for practical purposes, this statement is deceptive and misleading. I would not trust anybody who made such a statement as a way of advocating participation in Mary Kay, unless they accompanied it by additional information making it clear just how irrelevant it is to a decision to participate in Mary Kay... in which case, of course, it would be pointless to make the statement in the first place.
So everybody who goes around repeating this statement is basically ignorant or deceptive. Which one are you?
EliMantel - 30 Jul 2005
You have a lot of pent of anger! Can I ask why? Were you ever in Mary Kay? I am neither ignorant nor deceptive and you actually just seem to want to distort the facts to fit your opinion.
Would you conclude that all case studies at Harvard only prove the same thing. That only well educated, intelligent business people are successful?
Anyway the tone of this conversation is really one that I do not want to continue! You seem very angry and aggressive and do not seem to be able to have an intelligent discussion without insulting someone. I prefer a more intellectual format thanks.
Good luck to you in whatever you do.
Carol
My anger is not about my personal experience, Carol. It is outrage towards those who try to cheat others, who try to snare them to agree to buy into pyramid schemes, business opportunities, timeshares and the like with the offer of an improved lifestyle, when in fact, it's all about taking their money without giving them what they were promised.
If somebody honestly and accurately presents the Mary Kay business opportunity, I have no problem with that. But if they feel the need to make phony claims or use specious arguments when presenting it to a prospective participant, then I certainly have a problem with that. Whether you recognize it or not, this is what you are advocating.
EliMantel - 31 Jul 2005
Isn't it amusing that anyone who advocates that the truth about MK be exposed, is automatically labeled as angry?
Yes, and don't forget "NEGATIVE"......and as well-known National says: "Negative NINNIES" - gee, how adult!
If I recall, in the MLM world - telling potential recruits that the business is taught at Harvard is common, isn't it? I've seen it on other mlm marketing plans - where they say "We are taught about at Harvard" and as Eli says, that falsely implies that there is an entire curriculum established for Mary Kay or whatever other MLM which claims to be taught about.
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