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Jessie....obviously you've not been into management, so you have no idea from that perspective what goes on or what 'work' at that level entails.......until you get there, let us know how much we 'don't work'....ugh. We are also supposed to be INDEPENDENT, yet the company puts quotas on it, which, at recruiting time they dont say anything about, in fact they say we don't have any. Manipulation, that's what it is in most cases......The posts on here are also regarding the deceptions of the company...yet you ignore all those and these are not OPINIONS, these are hard, cold facts and I can tell you truly belong in the Mary Kay world with your attitude, you have offended those who have had real experiences by assuming we are lazy women who don't know how to manage our money or businesses now. I'd like you to tell that to the director I posted about in #97.....maybe you should join the majority of MEN in MK Management who seem as cold hearted as you.

BTW, now that it's tax time and everyone has their fresh 1099's from the company, why don't you share your success with us and tell us exactly what we get for how much we work....namely hours put in vs. pay per hour based on profits received less expenses, less taxes. No one seems to paint a true picture for us and that is what we are after so that those who consider a true opportunity to support a family or add substantial income to their households can assess.

Personally, I hope this Independent stuff goes to court, it sickens me what this company is doing to directors.....it's a hard road there Jessie, you haven't a clue what 'work' is til you've travelled that road nor seen it from that perspective, then to have it all taken away, but be told you are independent of the company deserves an attorney's assessment in my opinion.

Revision r1.3 - 08 Feb 2004 - 23:00 by LauraRyan? 

ANOTHER VIEW---------------

I’d like to address a few of the points Jessie brings up. First of all, just because women are finally coming out and pointing out flaws in the Mary Kay business does not make them merely bitter. They are being honest, and some of the ones who actually are bitter usually have a good reason for being bitter. Stating truths, realities of the hardships involved and cases of being abused by uplines paints a more accurate picture to any potential recruits. This will help others make a more informed decision before they jump in and believe only the hype that recruiters spout. It’s well known that directors tell consultants to only listen to positive things people say about the Mary Kay opportunity. If you start ANY kind of business, you always need to look at the positive aspects and the negative aspects.

You state, “I understand this isn't a company for everyone, and there are many opinions out there but if you are reading on this site make sure to talk to someone who is business minded.” I did talk to someone who was business minded and owned their own successful business before I jumped into Mary Kay. He told me NOT to sign up and gave me a list of reasons. But, I just kept listening to the director who recruited me who said to only listen to positive things. Wish I had listened to my business minded friend now!

As to buying something for $1 and selling it for $2, right – it’s not rocket science. But, the reality is that Mary Kay puts so many restrictions on how you can advertise, where you can sell, how you can sell and who you can sell to that women are reduced to using friends/family for customers and then forced to accost strangers, who in most cases will flee when they realize they are hearing a MK sales pitch. Add in the facials you do where women are merely doing them to be nice to you, but don’t buy anything and you quickly realize you’re wasting your time. The advent of the internet has made home party sales a dinosaur. If Mary Kay cosmetics dropped off the face of the earth, it wouldn’t matter. There are plenty of other high quality, reasonably priced skin care lines to buy.

As to your statement, “ I don't remember the company I work for ever letting someone keep there manager status or the perks of hard work if they didn't continue to work hard...(even if there was a hardship!)” This happens all the time. A company I worked for had two women with cancer who had to go out on a leave of absence while they went through treatments and recovery. While they were out, they maintained company paid health insurance, company paid disability and they returned to their previous positions without losing any benefits after their health improved. Now THAT is something that would never happen with a direct sales company.
MonicaJ  - 08 Feb 2004

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